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no parrotnoia though, just overthinking the whole phenomenon (edited)

i see

please elaborate @KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

@Juesto - jump i wanted my headmates to be me parroting lol

why?

i have DID, and want to be one person

oh sorry to hear that

it’s fine, treatment is going well

ah thats good, healthy?

1:26 PM

why anti-parrotnia? (edited)

My host doubts a lot. But that's okay now for us because there's just enough proof. ^w^

hm?

We were expanding on overthinking leading to doubt. I overthink a lot so blind faith is something I have trouble getting into at first. But now I see how it works. There's my proof.

Brain generates a ton of thoughts. We pick and choose which ones are ours.

Sounds like meditation would help

She means in general. IIRC the brain generates thousands of thoughts every minute

That sounds like a lot. What constitutes a thought?

In their most common sense, the terms thought and thinking refer to conscious cognitive processes that can happen independently of sensory stimulation.

8:10 PM

My bad, the average human has 6.5 thoughts per minute or around 6,000 per day

Lucilyn: people with anxiety increase that average a lot (edited)

8:12 PM

uh, hard to define "a thought" though, where do you cut thinking in sentences?

I mean each sentence could be considered a complete thought and you can link them together; this sentence alone could be considered three thoughts at once

Why is a common question on this server breathing related

10:21 PM

OK maybe not common but in tulpa questions I seen twice someone ask what breathing is like

Do many people's tulpas not know what breathing feels like? For me, we're both hooked up to the body's senses so to speak. That sounds really weird to have a tulpa not be.

No. What I mean is A host would have problems with a thoughtform, tulpa or otherwise, then someone will ask "what does your breathing feel like".

Weird

It's happened today. In tupla questions 1

10:29 PM

Why is that a question asked why is it secretive

10:29 PM

When answered

The reason leiko asked that to me was to see if i was nervous or having a breakdown or something

Lucilyn: yeah just has to do with panicking/needing to calm down (edited)

10:54 PM

not a tulpamancy specific thing

ah that makes sense. Sorry I was beiong intrusive

No it's ok

@Deleted User A tulpa is another person you make in your head

11:56 PM

Did I say that fast enough?

11:56 PM

Phew, yes I did

Like, is it fictional or a real thing?

11:57 PM

Is it some kind of "persona"?

People do genuinely practice tulpamancy. The typical understanding tulpamancers have is you don't need a separate brain to be another person, so by practicing tulpamancy, you can create another person in your mind. Some people compare it to imaginary friends but more advanced. At its core, it's about convincing you have another person in your head. The crazy part is this works

Deleted User

Is it some kind of "persona"?

Some people do interpret tulpas as other identies, personas, or versions of themself. However, I suspect the majority of tulpamancers see their tulpas as separate enough individuals, given the limitation of sharing a brain of course.

How does it works for you?

For me, it's a little tricky because it depends on if I'm in charge of the body or not. We call this switching. Right now I'm not in charge of the body, but I am controlling it with Gray's (my host's) permission. For me, I have my own thoughts, feelings, and opinions that I consider to be my own. I draw these from my own experiences that I have with interacting with Gray, my other headmates (other tulpas), and people in my life both online and in person. We have the experience of feeling the world and seeing though our eyes, but we believe that's something we share instead of belonging to Gray or me. That interpretation is applied a specific way when we switch, basically exchanging who is in change of the body. Me controlling the body right now with Gray's permission is called possession

A long kiss goodnight

For me, it's a little tricky because it depends on if I'm in charge of the body or not. We call this switching. Right now I'm not in charge of the body, but I am controlling it with Gray's (my host's) permission. For me, I have my own thoughts, feelings, and opinions that I consider to be my own. I draw these from my own experiences that I have with interacting with Gray, my other headmates (other tulpas), and people in my life both online and in person. We have the experience of feeling the world and seeing though our eyes, but we believe that's something we share instead of belonging to Gray or me. That interpretation is applied a specific way when we switch, basically exchanging who is in change of the body. Me controlling the body right now with Gray's permission is called possession

Do you consider yourself a "tulpa"?

12:08 AM

Or the original self?

I am a tulpa. Gray is the "original self"

12:08 AM

I call Gray my host

Hi

12:09 AM

I'm too lazy to switch to my account

Deleted User

Like, is it fictional or a real thing?

Lucilyn: consider an imaginary friend, who your brain gets to know very well & who you frequently talk to and anticipate responses from then integrate them a bit more with reality, talking to them and asking them about real life stuff, not just imaginary scenarios (edited)

A long kiss goodnight

I am a tulpa. Gray is the "original self"

Same memories?

Lucilyn: human brains can learn to emulate the concept of another person very well, and when you train/practice this, "tulpas" as we're calling them in this community can be legitimate mental companions with as much depth as any real person, given enough time and interaction (edited)

Reisen

Lucilyn: human brains can learn to emulate the concept of another person very well, and when you train/practice this, "tulpas" as we're calling them in this community can be legitimate mental companions with as much depth as any real person, given enough time and interaction (edited)

Interesting

very ;D

I may try it

Reisen

very ;D

Is it working for you?

Lucilyn: I am an {was created 8 years ago} tulpa :P Edited from the future to avoid the Discord age ban thing (edited)

Same memories?

@deleted_user_832da163aef5 - jump Ranger and I have access to each other's memories, yes. If Ranger experiences something, that memory is more important to her and she will more easily recall it than I can. However, if I want to know something she did, I can recall her memories. When we share control of the body, we don't always remember who did what if the context of who happened to be controlling the body didn't matter. For instance, when Ranger and I worked at our old job, we didn't always remember who controlled the body when. When we interact with my brother though, we do remember who was who because that context is important

Lucilyn: but the other three tulpas in our system (system's just a word people use to refer to all the "people" in a brain) are over 13 years old (edited)

12:13 AM

as in literally existed since early 2010

12:14 AM

which actually predates the "Tulpa" community, they were made accidentally by our host Lumi just thinking about their personalities and how they'd think about things and such a ton

12:15 AM

(Lumi made me on purpose 5 years later in 2015 after finding and joining this community)

12:15 AM

which is just one of many example cases that this phenomenon is simply brains are naturally capable of

I did this shit on accident

since there was no outside influence (not even previously having had imaginary friends!) for their accidental creation

Reisen

Lucilyn: but the other three tulpas in our system (system's just a word people use to refer to all the "people" in a brain) are over 13 years old (edited)

I already heard someone talk about it (edited)

12:16 AM

A person with multiple personality disorder

tulpas are intentionally created headmates not something disordered (edited)

Lucilyn: we consider DID (new term for MPD) to be a disorder that happens to utilize this phenomenon the brain is already capable of (edited)

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12:17 AM

but it does not need to be disorderly, come with any symptoms, or so on

I see I see

DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder) is more characterized by dissociation than just having multiple people in your head

12:18 AM

since a disorder is only a disorder if there are symptoms that negatively impact your life

Do you share the same conciousness as your host? (edited)

yeah

12:18 AM

though talking about "consciousness" is very very subjective

12:18 AM

it's unlikely we'll be able to convey our actual experiences clearly to you or anyone

12:19 AM

you probably are already making assumptions just based on me answering yes to that question

Well, "conciousness" is that which observes the thoughts, feelings and sensations

some people experience it like sharing one consciousness, other people experience it as separate headmates having separate consciousnesses

Lucilyn: our system's model of identity/consciousness is that "Consciousness" is an overarching feature of the brain, and that "Identities" (whatever word you want to call collections of identity+personality+values+memories/associations etc. in the brain) can plug into the consciousness and use it (edited)

12:21 AM

under that model, all of us in this brain do "share one consciousness", however that also means it's impossible for there to even be more than one consciousness

12:21 AM

but, a lot of people by default just think of "themselves" as conscious, so they think a tulpa thinking should have its own consciousness, and that their brain's consciousness is actually theirs

is your consciousness today the same as the one that wakes up tomorrow?

Lucilyn: which is counter to our view that "you" is just a collection of information about how to be a person, that your brain's consciousness uses (edited)

impossible to say

so yeah, consciousness talk gets very complicated very quick, especially since we can't share the actual experiences we're having and so people have to do their best with words

Leiko

is your consciousness today the same as the one that wakes up tomorrow?

I think so

12:23 AM

Different mind, but same conciousness

@Deleted User - jump how would you tell apart two situations: it's the same consciousness it's different consciousness but it experiences memories of being present the day before?

12:24 AM

talking about tulpas and consciousness is as hard as this

(or meaningless)

yes i think at the end of the day what matters is the experience you have and if it's something that benefits you

Leiko

Different mind, but same conciousness

@Deleted User - jump how would you tell apart two situations: it's the same consciousness it's different consciousness but it experiences memories of being present the day before?

I think there is just one conciousness

so it is your belief, interpretation, right?

12:25 AM

can you imagine someone having the second interpretation? holding it as their belief

I'm an Open Individualist

12:26 AM

Do you know it?

12:26 AM

Open Individualism?

Leiko

can you imagine someone having the second interpretation? holding it as their belief

Yea yea